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The Sprit Goal is selected BEFORE or AFTER the Sprint Backlog is created
Last Post 10 May 2016 11:54 PM by Peter binderup Hansen. 15 Replies.
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Bui Tuan Ninh
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10 Jul 2014 06:16 PM
    Hi all,

    The Sprit Goal is selected BEFORE or AFTER the Sprint Backlog is created ?

    Thanks
    Bui Tuan Ninh
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    Bui Tuan Ninh

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    10 Jul 2014 07:28 PM
    Hello, Can anyone help on this question ?

    Thanks a lot.
    Ilia Pavlichenko
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    Ilia Pavlichenko

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    10 Jul 2014 09:26 PM
    Scrum Guide is quite clear about that. "After the Development Team forecasts the Product Backlog items it will deliver in the Sprint, the Scrum Team crafts a Sprint Goal.". This happends when team's answering the Topic One question What can be Done in the Sprint?
    Bui Tuan Ninh
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    Bui Tuan Ninh

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    10 Jul 2014 09:40 PM
    I agree with you that: After the Development Team forecasts the Product Backlog items it will deliver in the Sprint, the Scrum Team crafts a Sprint Goal.


    My confuse is: The activity " forecasts the Product Backlog items " and "create the Sprint Backlog" are SAME or NOT ?

    Can i understand that the flow as below ?
    forecasts the Product Backlog items -> **create Sprint Goal ** -> **create the Sprint Backlog ** !


    Thanks.
    Ilia Pavlichenko
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    Ilia Pavlichenko

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    10 Jul 2014 09:44 PM
    No, it's not the same. Forecast is about PBI only, "The Product Backlog items selected for this Sprint plus the plan for delivering them is called the Sprint Backlog." Thus Sprint Goal is created before.
    Bui Tuan Ninh
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    Bui Tuan Ninh

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    10 Jul 2014 09:46 PM
    In addition, as the defination of "Sprint Backlog" :
    = Selected Product Backlog item + **Plan to "done" them ***

    That may mean: Sprint Backlog is made at the end of the first session of Sprint Planning meeting, after done some prior activities (including make its Goal)


    Can anyone help to clearify about this ?
    Bui Tuan Ninh
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    10 Jul 2014 09:48 PM
    Thanks Illya.

    So final answer is "Sprint Goal is create BEFORE Sprint Backlog ?
    Ilia Pavlichenko
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    Ilia Pavlichenko

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    10 Jul 2014 09:52 PM
    Sprint Backlog is the output of the "How?" topic of the planning, Sprint Goal is crafted during "What?" part which comes first.
    Bui Tuan Ninh
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    Bui Tuan Ninh

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    10 Jul 2014 09:56 PM
    I clear, thanks so much.
    Ian Mitchell
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    11 Jul 2014 05:45 AM
    > So final answer is "Sprint Goal is create BEFORE Sprint Backlog ?

    Be careful when you talk about the Sprint Backlog being "created". The Sprint Backlog serves the purpose of meeting the Sprint Goal, and its ability to do so must be improved at every opportunity during the Sprint.
    Ilia Pavlichenko
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    11 Jul 2014 05:50 AM
    Well, as I remember Ken saying about that Scrint Backlog is like human - born during the Sprint Planning, emerging and evolving through the Sprint as a human being walking throughout the life.
    nikos batsios
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    24 Jul 2014 07:43 AM
    agree!
    when you have the sprint backlog created you are ready to start working for the next few days. it would be obselete at that point of time to formulate your sprint goal! goal should be set prior actions...and under that context sprint goal should be defined before your sprint backlog has been created!...
    Rich Hill
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    08 Jun 2015 11:14 AM
    The Scrum Guide states "After the Development Team forecasts the Product Backlog items it will deliver in the Sprint, the Scrum Team crafts a Sprint Goal"
    Elisia Getts
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    11 Jun 2015 05:43 AM
    I was confused by this as well when I was first learning about Scrum. I think the product owner should have an idea of what the sprint goal or objective is before sprint planning (Scrum Guide p. 9 "The Product Owner discusses the objective that the sprint should achieve..."). This aids the product owner in preselecting the PBIs to bring to the team for consideration for the sprint (in addition to their value, etc.). It also aids the team in creating the formal sprint goal at the end of the sprint planning session.
    Ian Mitchell
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    Ian Mitchell

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    11 Jun 2015 08:29 PM
    > I think the product owner should have an idea
    > of what the sprint goal or objective is before
    > sprint planning 

    The PO should be able to enter Sprint Planning sufficiently prepared to negotiate an increment of value. This could mean having deas of what a Sprint Goal might reasonably be. It should not be an assumption or pre-condition as to what the Goal actually will be.
    Peter binderup Hansen
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    10 May 2016 11:54 PM
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