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PSM 1 Vs PSPO 1
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Pasquale Sada
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08 Jun 2014 05:34 AM
    Hi everyone,

    I'm about to take the PSM 1 assessment and soon after the PSPO 1. Passing the PSM 1 with a good score is enough to think that I can pass the PSPO 1 with success?

    Which are the differences? Do they share only some questions or most of them?

    My preparation is based on Scrum Open assessment, testtakeronline.com, Scrum Guide, Software in 30 Days, Agile Game Development with Scrum and most of all daily experience in a Scrum Team.

    Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
    Ludwig Harsch
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    Ludwig Harsch

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    10 Jun 2014 05:31 AM
    Hi Kahl,
    I have made PSPO I and PSM I. In PSPO, there are many questions from the PSM pool, so if you succeed in PSM you are well prepared. I only did the open assessment before the PSPO which is actually designed for PSM.
    In addition there are some questions about ROI, TCO etc but I remember them being quite simple.
    Good luck!
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    05 Jul 2014 05:55 AM
    Today I took the PSPO I and I've failed with 78%. I would appreciate any feedback.

    I had

    94% of Scrum Framework

    but

    75% of cross functionality
    49% Maximizing value

    Any idea how to improve this stats?

    P.s. I've passed PSM I with 87%.
    michael
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    michael

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    05 Jul 2014 11:17 PM
    Hi Kahl,

    You don't mention if you took a course, went self study or a combination of both.
    At 500 dollars for an exam, I think taking a course would be the best way to go.
    This would give you access to a study group a scrum tutor and the current thinking.
    You would be in a group of people some of whom already be in your position.
    Thats how i would approach it if passing that exam is the goal you have, remember its not
    a guaranteed pass in any scrum,org exam, but the tutors are always top notch.
    All depends on your personal goal, understanding and certification or just understanding the PO role.

    Michael
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    05 Jul 2014 11:48 PM
    Hi,

    For now I am self studying for PSPO 1 that costs 100€ not 500€. I am in Italy and there aren't course scheduled for this region. I will take a course when I am ready for PSPO 2, because the nearest place is London and will cost me thousands of euros (course fee, accomodation, etc...). So for now any advice to pass the test with self study only or online resources would be appreciate.
    michael
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    06 Jul 2014 12:16 AM
    Hi Kahl,

    Costs, i had the PSPO II cost.

    Professional Scrum Product Owner II (PSPO II) Assessment Fee $500.00
    Professional Scrum Product Owner I (PSPO I) Assessment Fee $200.00
    As your going self study mode its going to be difficult, as your away from the resources you need.
    Needing PSPO I as the pre requisite I can understand your frustration.
    Especially if there are no courses running in your country.
    As a SM if thats your impediment, then perhaps can help.
    If anyone can give pointers, perhaps Charles can as a long standing scrum member
    https://www.scrum.org/User-Profile/userId/6405

    Michael
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    06 Jul 2014 12:32 AM
    Thanks for the advice :D
    michael
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    michael

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    06 Jul 2014 12:58 AM
    Kahl,

    Before I forget, also ask Scrum.org for the actual feedback in the area's.
    They will look at the fail if you ask them to, and give you a breakdown into area.
    You may be able to identify the topic from the fail that caused you problems.
    It could be one area that your having problems with or several areas.
    Once you have it you can work on the problematic part of your study.

    Michael
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    06 Jul 2014 02:22 AM
    Oh cool. Do you have an e-mail where I should write at?
    michael
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    michael

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    06 Jul 2014 02:46 AM
    Khal,

    Use the "contact us" at the top of the page and supply your user and reference for the assessment.
    Explain you took the assessment for PSPO I and show your percentiles back from the exam.
    You wont be given the answers to ones you got wrong, but areas you are weak in.
    They will get back to you and you can use this as a base for your research, to build on.
    It may take a few days but they will have a look at your assessment.
    Hope this helps with the progress towards PSPO I.

    Michael
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    06 Jul 2014 06:54 AM
    Thanks :)
    Simon Reindl
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    07 Jul 2014 01:32 AM
    Hi,
    you really need to shift your mind-set in to the PO role.
    I strongly recommend watching this great summary from Henrik Kniberg on youtube: http://youtu.be/502ILHjX9EE

    The PO role is to focus on the Value that the engine of the Development team delivers. To be really effective this needs to consider the Return on Investment (RoI) and the Total Cost of Ownership (TCO). This means that the PO will care deeply about having a well refined ordered backlog and clear understanding of and commitment to Done. This will then enable them to get product to customer with few or no impediments.

    The role specific assessments are intentionally much harder than the open assessments, and do require you to adopt the mindset of the role.

    Regards
    Simon
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    07 Jul 2014 02:24 AM
    Thanks for you feedback guys!
    Pasquale Sada
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    Pasquale Sada

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    13 Jul 2014 12:55 AM
    I got the feedback from Scrum.org

    1. How does the Sprint Backlog relate to the Product Backlog?

    I can't understand what it does mean.

    2. What tasks must the Product Owner be responsible for, and what can the Product Owner delegate to others?

    The PO is responsible for maximizing the product value and creating PBI. He can delegate the writing of PBI, but he remain accountable for it.

    3. How small should a ready Product Backlog item be? Why is it important for Product Backlog items to be clear?

    Small enough to be completed in one sprint. PBI must be clear, otherwise DT can't estimate how much work is needed to complete them.

    4. When determining the order a Product Backlog, what should the Product Owner consider? What don't they need to consider?

    PO should consider customer feedback, stockholders feedback, market value, risk reduction. PO should not consider DT techniques and tool.

    5. When are the Scrum Team and stakeholders required to meet? Can they meet outside this event?

    ST and stackeholders can meet only during sprint review and never outside this event.

    6. How does the Product Owner determine the value of a done increment?

    No idea.

    7. What can a Development Team do if they’re having trouble developing a piece of functionality?

    Renegotiate the scope with PO

    8. What are the feedback loops in Scrum?

    Sprint Review and Sprint Retrospective

    9. What is the Sprint Backlog, and who owns it? When is it created and when is work added or removed?

    It is the work DT committed to and it is own by DT. Work can be added and removed anytime and it is created in the sprint planning.

    Here is the results for each area:

    Scrum Framework - 94.4%

    Scrum Theory and Principles - 88.2%

    Cross-functional, self-organizing Teams - 75%

    Maximizing Value - 59.1%

    Product Backlog Management - 78.9%
    michael
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    michael

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    13 Jul 2014 04:53 AM
    Hi Khal,

    5 & 8 have been debated here many times

    Thinking around 5, if the stakeholder is an impediment are we saying we cannot meet them till the review?
    If this is the case we miss an opportunity to inspect and adapt.


    Thinking around 8 (The source of much debate)
    Feedback loops, to inspect and adapt we could feedback at any time
    https://www.scrum.org/Forums/aft/352
    http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/03/a...back-loops

    Each event in Scrum is a formal opportunity to inspect and adapt something.
    These events are specifically designed to enable critical transparency and inspection.
    Failure to include any of these events results in reduced transparency and is a
    lost opportunity to inspect and adapt.

    To inspect and adapt would require feedback in order to do so

    Feedback definition
    information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc.
    which is used as a basis for improvement.

    Michael

    Olivier Ledru
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    13 Jul 2014 05:43 AM
    Hi Kahl,

    I pass PSM I & II & PSPO I with self study and working experience. My readings help me a lot. For the PSPO I, I liked "Agile Project Management with Scrum", by Ken Schwaber ; "Agile Product Management with Scrum" by Roman Pichler and "Agile Estimaning and Planing" by Mike Cohn.

    God luck
    Pasquale Sada
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    13 Jul 2014 06:09 AM
    Hi Micheal. Sorry but I don't agree. As Scrum.org purist you should solve answers in this way:

    5.
    ST can meet stakeholders only during Sprint review. If they are an impediment Scrum Master should inform PO and PO will manage them.

    8.
    Scrum Guide mentions "Feedback" only when talking about Sprint Review. In this case I'm not so sure as the above answer and I can understand your reasons.
    michael
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    13 Jul 2014 07:09 AM

    Khal,

    I guess that's what makes it interesting the interpretation of the questions, agree or disagree.
    Many of these have been discussed with people with much greater knowledge than me.
    Some questions remain answered at best guess only, even with a guide as its a guide only.
    These questions also come from the exams.

    Your question is can they meet a stakeholder outside of the review?
    My thoughts come down to simply this in the guide when it comes to additional items.
    Scrum Master Service to the Organization
    Scrum Master Service to the Development Team
    Scrum Master Service to the Product Owner

    Based on the services of SM.
    Could there be a situation where they may have to meet outside of the review?
    Or is it 100% not allowed at any given time within the rules of the framework?


    Michael









    michael
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    13 Jul 2014 08:24 AM

    Khal,

    More on Feedback loops, just to show sometimes its not as simple as it seems or appears.
    If you go off the guide it doesn't mention "feedback loop" once, but the exam does.
    The guide does mention the three pillars, and all the events for inspecting and adapting.
    You cant adapt anything without feedback is how i see it, that approach could be totally wrong.
    following the guide will only get you so far, I don't confess to know all the answers either.

    https://www.scrum.org/Forums/aft/352#4084
    https://www.scrum.org/Forums/aft/866#4745

    Michael
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    14 Aug 2014 02:09 AM
    Maybe this will help on

    1. How does the Sprint Backlog relate to the Product Backlog?


    http://pm.stackexchange.com/questio...ct-backlog

    Backlog Ownership

    The Product Owner owns the Product Backlog, and prioritizes it on behalf of the stakeholders. The Sprint Backlog is the property of the Team, and they are the sole arbiters of its contents.

    Contents of the Sprint Backlog

    The Sprint Backlog contains user stories popped off the top of the Product Backlog during Sprint Planning. However, the Sprint Backlog usually contains many things not on the Product Backlog, such as:

    Tasks that have been decomposed from the user stories accepted by the Team for the current iteration.
    Story points or time estimates for individual tasks.
    Refinements of the "definition of done" as it relates to a specific story or task.
    Refinements to stories that don't compromise the Sprint Goal or require the Product Owner to call for an early termination of the Sprint.
    In-sprint stories or tasks added by the Team to support the current Sprint Goal.
    The Sprint Goal and stories accepted for the current Sprint are set during Spring Planning, but tasks (and occasionally stories) on the Sprint Backlog are updated and modified by the Team in whatever way they see fit--it's the Team's artifact, and is theirs to manage in support of the Sprint Goal.

    Agile Means Change

    While the stories accepted into the Sprint Backlog during Sprint Planning are generally fixed, if the team finishes early, they are encouraged to pull additional work off the Product Backlog if they believe it can fit into the current Sprint without compromising the Sprint Goal. In addition, sometimes additional knowledge or information comes to light during the Sprint, and the Team and Product Owner can cooperatively remove stories from the Sprint if doing so helps the Team meet the current Sprint Goal.

    In addition, user stories are starting points for conversations with stakeholders (or the Product Owner if done by proxy), so adding and deleting tasks from the Sprint Backlog as stories are worked is quite common. Part of the art of Scrum is in differentiating between refinements that come from reducing the cone of uncertainty during a Sprint from changes to stories that jeopardize the Sprint Goal.

    No Invisible Work, Ever

    Generally, Sprint Backlog items should be decompositions of Product Backlog items, or supporting tasks that glue together stories in the current Sprint. Again, the art is in differentiating between tasks that the Team needs to create on the Sprint Backlog to support the Sprint Goal versus stories that need to be placed on the Product Backlog.

    As an example, if you have a story that requires you to seed a database, you may need to add a task to your Sprint Backlog to install a new database server. Usually, this task would be added during Sprint Planning, but the task may not become obvious until later in the Sprint. In such cases, it's perfectly acceptable to add the newly-discovered tasks to the Sprint Backlog as long as they don't compromise the Sprint Goal or invalidate the stories accepted into the Sprint.

    Team stories beyond that properly belong on the Product Backlog. For example, setting up a full-blown database architecture is a story that should be prioritized by the Product Owner as a prerequisite for other stories in the Product Backlog. These types of stories are generally added during Backlog Grooming, and occasionally during Sprint Planning; after that, they are treated like any other story in the Product Backlog.

    Don't Fear the Product Backlog

    [W]ould it be possible to add things like items from our Retrospective into Sprint backlog and avoid messing up Product backlog?
    It depends. If your Sprint Retrospective leads to process changes or in-sprint tasks for the Team, then of course those things should be added to one of the backlogs. Tasks and internal processes belong on the Sprint Backlog; sub-projects that consume time or resources outside of individual story estimates belong on the Product Backlog.

    Don't be afraid of "messing up the Product Backlog." The Product Backlog is not some inviolate, unchangeable document. A healthy Scrum process should encourage ongoing conversations between the Product Owner and the Team, and encourage adding infrastructure and tool-chain stories to the Product Backlog so that their costs and benefits are visible to the project and the organization.
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    24 Aug 2014 06:02 AM

    Posted By Kahl on 13 Jul 2014 05:55 AM
    I got the feedback from Scrum.org

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    4. When determining the order a Product Backlog, what should the Product Owner consider? What don't they need to consider?

    PO should consider customer feedback, stockholders feedback, market value, risk reduction. PO should not consider DT techniques and tool.
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    I wonder if the size (roughly estimated time/costs made by the DT) is also something that the PO is advised to consider when ordering the Product Backlog?
    Ludwig Harsch
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    25 Aug 2014 04:26 AM
    For sure. The PO is responsible for the TCO of the product, which includes the costs for implementing a PBI. Apart from that, the PO can consider whatever he thinks feasible.
    Ian Mitchell
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    25 Aug 2014 04:26 AM
    > I wonder if the size (roughly estimated time/
    > costs made by the DT) is also something that
    > the PO is advised to consider when ordering the Product Backlog?

    Yes it is, although a relative size would be more appropriate than either time or cost.

    Each item on the Product Backlog must have such an estimate, along with a description and a value. All of these attributes can inform the Product Owner as to the optimum Product Backlog order.
    Dan Hogan
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    30 Apr 2015 10:29 AM
    Seeing that the PSPO cources typically require missing work, travel, and accommodations, I'd like to see a better online guide to help a PSM I prepare for the PSPO I. Starting with the 16-page guide and then referencing a number of 100+ page books is an odd way to do it. There needs to be a middle ground for the introductory assesments.

    Encouraging someone to spend time on a scrum team is kind of a non-starter, too. It's tough to get on one of those teams without the background to get hired, notably the certifications.
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    01 May 2015 02:51 PM
    Dan,

    Attending a PSPO course is the very best way to get yourself educated and prepared for the PSPO I exam. The books someone mentioned above are great too. The only other thing I'll offer out to you is this link:
    http://ScrumCrazy.com/pspo1
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