PSM versus CSM
Evening all, I am brand spanking new to Scrum.org but after doing some poking around and what not believe this is where I want/need to be. I apologize if this question has been asked but I can't seem to find it so am throwing it out there.
Can anyone give me some insight as to the difference between CMS vs PSM. How they are perceived, are they equal? One better? Pros/Cons?
I am finding it more important to have some kind of "backing" to support that I know what I know and was pleased to find I could take the test without having to sit through the two day CSM training (plus I don't have that kind of cash laying around at the moment).
Is the PSM well received? Recognized? It seems to be more real world - in practice and less proof of training, but that could just be wishful thinking on my part.
Any information would be greatly appreciated and helpful.
Many of us have certified under both schemes. I'm not going to get into the politics as to which is better, since much depends upon individual needs at a given moment in their career, but I'll assert that PSM is certainly *no less* respected than CSM.
Also, it is possible to sit PSM Level 1 a number of times for the price of a course.
Having done both I can safely say that there really is no difference between the two. After all Scrum is the same whatever be the organization certifying you.
In general certifications still aren't foolproof enough to weed out success via rote memorization and both the CSM and PSM1 certifications are no exception
At the end of the day a certification places you at the starting blocks. How you run the race after that is entirely upto you.
I wouldn't say they are the same. They are different and PSM is better. Not because I said it but because many people who has got both certificates have said so. I have summarised it here: http://blog.leanagile.in/post/54764080535/certified-scrum-master-vs-pro…
Prabhu, unfortunately Scrum is not the same everywhere. I would love to see 100% the World referring to Scrum Guide. But that's not the case now (soon will be :)) If you look at the Scrum Core (Scrum Alliance) and Scrum Guide (Scrum.org) - they're quite different. We consider Scrum Guide is the primary source of knowledge as it was created and sustained by creators of Scrum: Ken Schwaber and Jeff Sutherland. Regarding the certifications - CSM is just a weak shadow of PSMI. CSM can be compared with PSF (Professiona Scrum Foundations). PSM course is more advanced level. Also it's very hard not to pass CSM 'exam' and it's really hard to pass PSMI.
I will add that PSM II is much more difficult and interesting than CSP.
PSM II also give me a lot of very valuable feedback and helped me to improve my understanding of Scrum.
CSP (as a proctored exam) is still "just" a multiple-choice test, without any feedback but your score. The phrasing was also very poor, which make the test difficult for no-english native people.
Being a CSP, CSM, CSPO, and PSM I I will speak to my personal experience with those alone.
I think that passing a scrum.orgs assessments to be a much better indicator of scrum knowledge then the CSM or CSPO courses (and CSM assessment). At least I can say that I learned a lot studying for the PSM I that i didn't understand fully through my CSM or CSPO courses. The CSP requires 3 years expirience and 70+ education credits that can be earned by attending courses, reading books, attending Scrum user groups, etc. . I found the user group meetings in my area to be probably the most helpful thing for me in building my knowledge, understanding, and practical experience of Scrum. I think you could get a CSP without much Scrum knowledge if you really wanted to, but for me it was a very good learning experience/opportunity.
So from a learning perspective i would rate CSPO < CSM < PSM I < CSP . I will have to see where the PSM II falls if i take it - which i am motivated/challenged to, because i feel like i would learn a lot through the process.
Another thing to consider is if you are looking for a community to be involved with. i would look at the available classes and user groups for each Scrum.org or Scrum Alliance in your area as they can be vastly different. Scrum Alliance's presence is 10x greater in my area so for a community to become involved with it had a lot more courses and opportunities. I think Scrum Alliance certifications are typically better known by US companies as well (vs Europe where Scrum.org has a much bigger presence).
Being a CSM, CSPO, CSP, SPC, CLKF, ICP-ATF, PSM I I would definitely rate PSM > CSM.
Hello Everyone, I have been reading a lot as which certification is better than another one. After reading all the responses above and other web pages, it makes me clear and confident that I will start my first Scrum certification with PSM1 and thanks for all your above messages. I will enroll for assessment on scrum.org but for studying and prepare for the examination which other resources shall I use if I would like to avoid a big fee of $1200 or above.
I am also interested to know if there any other resources we could use instead of spending $1200 check
Deepak and Pravan,
The PSM I follows the definitions in the Scrum Guide pretty closely. If you prefer self-study over a professional training course, look over the PSM Resource Guide. In particular, I've heard great things about the Scrum Pocket Guide book. If you're a visual learner, Udemy has some useful Scrum video courses at about $10 apiece.
However, if you plan to go on to the PSM II or PSM III, I strongly recommend the in-person training.
CSM: Course attendence mandatory, 35 questions, 68% pass mark, no time limit
PSMI: No course needed, 80 questions, 85% pass mark, time limit
As one can see, PSMI has a challenging time limit and a hard pass mark, while for CSM you can take as long as you need to answer any of the questions coming and stil fail on almost a third of them. I never went for any ScrumAlliance certificate, but as far as people told me, it's just like that: Attend the course, play the money and you're done with a little effort. And I even know some persons who did exactly that and get lot's of things wrong regarding scrum.
Sure, you'll have to renew that certification, so one might think it's a more valid proof of your knowledge when it comes to new job opportunities. But in the end: If you've got your scrum.org certificates and you're CV shows that you've been doing scrum during the last few years, nobody will question that you still have that knowledge active and present.
That all said: I never went for a ScrumAlliance certificate, but did so with PSPO, SPS, PSMI and PSMII. For good reason, I guess.
I am certified under PMI, ScrumAlliance and Scrum.org. To keep it short (as the previous posts have already answered the topic thoroughly), my PSM "journey" helped me to really understand what Scrum is really about.
A training from ScrumAlliance and/or Scrum.org is fine, however it does not mean that you 'll become a Scrum ninja just by attending a training; determination for self-improvement, learning and experimentation is needed.
Thank you for this conversation! As a developer, I sought out obtaining a PO certification as a self initiative. The company I work for has used ScrumAlliance to train in house PO's. I feel confident in obtaining my PSPO I over a CPO after reading this, and talking with those who have taken the SA courses. After what I've gathered, I agree with Steven, the PSPO/PSM exams definitely require a more inclusive understanding of SCRUM.
If you do proper research, you will come to the same conclusion that many did - PSM 1 is LOT better than CSM.
Look at this: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-pass-psm-first-attempt-five-steps-ge… (Five steps to get the most meritorious Scrum certificate)
Hi Guys ,
I am Team lead/Senior Developer.
If i want to move to a role of Scrum master do you think it make sense to do PSM or CSM as i alreday have PMI-ACP.
You mentioned your interested is moving to a role of Scrum Master. For this purpose, I think both PSM and CSM would be helpful in the career transition into Scrum Master Role.
Being a PMP, PMI-ACP, SPC4 and I just recently completed PSM-I, PSPO-I. My considerations between PSM and CSM is (A) Course availability and (B) Cost, and I am happy with my decision with PSM.
I think PSM-I exam is a good starting point to explore Scrum for the following reasons & considerations
- Course and Time availability:
- I believe for CSM you will need to attend a course before you can take the exam.
- There are limited choice of courses offered in my region
- Both PSM and PSM in person courses are more than $1,000. But taking the PSM-I exam is only $150.
- If budget is not a concern, I would go for in-person training courses.
- Online feedback:
- Based on research of online discussions (e.g. in this thread). It seems PSM is recommended over CSM.
Hope this helps,
As a scrum.org trainer I have taken the CSM courses and the PMI-ACP. The PMI-ACP test is pretty broad in what it asks about but not highly in-depth with any one topic. Scrum.org is very in-depth with scrum. Scrum alliance is a fairly easy test that focuses on scrum.
The scrum.org classes tend to be transformational (change the way you think). When I took the CSM it was a little more informational. Both are good classes but I went down the Scrum.org path because I wanted the community and the strict interpretation of scrum. I think scrum.org's certs holds more respect because it's tough.
BTW, the scrum alliance trainers know their stuff, it's just a different approach to training and certification.
As others have said, I believe the PSM to be better simply based off the requirements for the test. I will issue a word of caution, if you'll hear it. Simply getting the certification does not mean you'll get interviews or that it will even make it easier at all to get into a Scrum Master role. I have experience doing the work as a Scrum Master and Business Analyst, yet my title was never one of those; I hold the PSM1 since January and I've put in roughly 300 applications since then and have yet to get even a call about a position I've applied for. I was told by many friends in the industry and in that role that once I got the certification, it would be super easy to break in; that was wrong on many levels as I've experienced. I've had my resume critiqued by hiring managers for this role, high level IT recruiters, and peers; still nothing.
By all means, go for the certification but don't expect that doors will automatically fly open for you; unless you live in an area where Scrum is brand new and the pool of candidates can be counted on 1 hand. Dallas Fort/Worth is a different story. Good luck with your decision.
PSM1 is definitely tougher , time limit on the exam and tricky questions test you understanding of scrum
and makes it more tougher
you have just enough time to answer all questions and look at bookmarks
PSM > CSM. Period.
Having both certifications, I do see a difference in the organizations. A couple actually. For one, you must pay for a class and then you take an open book test. You then have to renew every couple of years. For the other, you study, and pay for the exam. Once you pass, you have it for life.
Ian, I applaud you for not being biased.
I really hope PSM becomes more recognized over CSM, as in my opinion it's like comparing a Bachelors from Ivy League school to one from a 3rd world institution.
The article on wizlabs.com does a good job comparing the two.
All hail PSM :-)
I've been a CSM for some time, but have recently become PSM I certified. My key driver is the money grab around CSM.
- Mandatory expensive 2 day course
- bi-annual renewals.
I'll be pursuing the PSM stream from now on.
I have the CSM, PSM I. I will say that I learned more in studying for my PSM than I did the CSM. But I prefer self-study. Which one is better? I really don't think one is better than the other except to the people that are getting them. From a job seeker point of view I agree with what @Curtis said and really encourage you to listen to him.
My personal preference is the scrum.org certs because I think they test you actual knowledge more. I have no proof of that, it is only my personal opinion.
A side note, after you get past the first level of the scrum.org certs, they do become much more difficult because the questions are based on applying the knowledge you have and not on recalling what is written in the scrum guide. I'm still trying to get the PSM II after a couple of attempts.
maybe this video gives a little bit more insight:
I think the PSM1 Cert is way harder then CSM. Pretty much every search on google will tell you that the PSM1 is Intermediate/Advance in Assessment Difficulty Level. CSM seems like since you pay a lot more you are guaranteed to pass and the minimum passing score is much less and there is no time limit. The CSM seems like you don't need a depth of knowledge about the material your payment guarantees you get the certificate. While the PSM1 requires you to learn the material in-depth as some of the questions are real-life scenarios that test your understanding of the material and how to apply it in the real world to get the Certification.
Check out the following link: